2021 Sermons On Gays and Homosexuality – (Sermon Notes TXT) , Oprah Asks, “Is Homosexuality Sin?” What Do You Say? (Voddie v Osteen, Jakes, Lentz, Daigle, Lecrae)
so don’t let anybody tell you that it’s
not
loving if you stand flat-footed and
speak the truth
about this issue of homosexuality what’s
not
loving is to look someone in the eye
when god
says they are in jeopardy of an eternity
in hell
and merely wink and nod at their sin
because you’re afraid of being called
names
but does that mean that you’re saying i
just because i want to be clear and i
don’t want to
interpret anything that isn’t does that
mean that you’re saying that you believe
that being gay would is a sin
[Music]through crime you see civil partnerships
being sanctioned
you think that’s wrong yeah i think it’s
i think it’s wrong but i’m not going to
bash those people i’m not going to be
against those people
they’re they’re good people they’re
they’re good people
they’re they’re good people it’s like
you’re judging us
on you well to me i just i’m not i’m not
the one to judge and say
you know who’s bad and who’s good
otherwise you’d have to go through
everybody you know every one of us said
you know what i got some pride or i’ve
got
i had an evil thought the other day
those are sins too
i don’t know that god is judging sins on
different levels but we pick out that
one so
i mean our message if i mean you know if
you listen to my message they’re about
lifting people
up and so it’s not i mean i really talk
about the homosexuality when we get on
the interviews
and i really talk about the
homosexuality when we get on the
interviews
it’s an issue that you know it’s a heart
issue and i don’t know that i fully
understand it
let me ask you a question because when
you came on piers morgan show a while
ago he asked you about homosexuality
christianity homosexuality and almost
every time we have a pastor on it’s a
conversation we have
and you you are known for these
uplifting ceremonial services and you
talk to a lot of what’s like 45 000
people who attend and i always wonder
when you are
you say homosexuality is a sin and
there’s a bunch of people who clearly
are gay who are
in your church you’re calling them
sinners i mean that well
so that’s the opposite of uplifting it
does but one one i don’t necessarily
focus on that i only talk about that on
the interviews
one one i don’t necessarily focus on
that i only talk about that on the
interviews
i mean so don’t you think though that
with the with the country struggling
with increasing
acceptance of all its citizens and
you’re for basic fairness for everybody
that
in situations where like we’re trying to
pass these marriage equality bills in
certain states now that you ought to you
have an important voice to lend to that
especially the kids who are
maybe worried about who they are and
where they fit in the community
well you know i think i have an
important voice but i’m very i think
i’ve been good i think part of my
if you want to call it success is i’ve
stayed in my lane and my lane
is lifting people’s spirits and their
their issues that
good bible-believing people see on both
sides of the fence
but so my question is when you’re
talking to your forty five thousand
people
in your service and some of them are gay
you’re saying to them you’re a sinner
well so that first off in my services i
don’t cover
all these issues that we talk about here
i am and i don’t understand all the all
those issues and so
you know i try to stick on the issues
that i do understand and i i know this
i’m for everybody i’m not for pushing
people down
obviously i watch the story on bullying
stuff other things like that that comes
from it so
i don’t know where the fine line is but
i do try to stay in my lane
and you know lift people’s spirits a
question coming in from uh black 185 in
our in our uh digital community
said do you do you think i’m assuming uh
lgbt community in the black church can
co-exist
absolutely let me push that question
because that’s sort of
obvious yes church ain’t turning nobody
away how should the black church and
lgbt community
i think it’s going to be diverse from
church to church every church has a
different opinion on the issue and every
gay person is different and i think that
to to speak the church the black church
or white church or any kind of church
you want to call it
are all the same is totally totally not
true
and all gay people are not the same the
the types of relationships that are
afforded
are based on the types of people in each
individual case
and lgbts of wipes and sorts have to
find
a household of worship that reflects
what your views are
and what you believe like anybody else
and the church should have the right to
have its own convictions and values
if you don’t like those convictions and
values you totally disagree with it
don’t try to change my house move into
your own and
establish that sort of thing and find
somebody who gets
what you get about faith and trust me
i’ve talked to enough lgbt they are not
all the same oh for sure
any more than all christians so no uh
but how do we
first of all is you’re thinking involved
doing this he evolved and evolving
involved in evolving he evolved and
evolving
involved in evolving well it’s a complex
issue it’s a real complex issue and it
was in the bible day sexuality versus
spirituality
paul spends a lot of time wrestling back
and forth trying to understand
uh should a woman wear her head covered
is you know uh
should you cut your hair i mean they
groppled back then and we’re groppling
now because we are humans and we are
flawed and we are not
god once you understand you’re not god
you you leave yourself an outclass
to grow to grow hello
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just to play devil’s advocate i mean do
you feel like it’s hard for you because
you’re so sweet
but but do you feel like you know there
you have a moral imperative
to to speak publicly about some of these
more controversial
issues no because we try to be like
jesus very rarely
did jesus ever talk about morality or
social issues
he was about the deeper things of the
heart every article i’ve read
about you guys says he declined to
discuss gay marriage yeah it’s a
misquote because
i do discuss it just not the way people
want me to when it comes to
homosexuality i refuse to let
another human being or a immediate
moment
dictate how we approach it jesus was
in the thick of an era where
homosexuality
just like it is today was wildly
prevalent
and i’m still waiting for someone to
show me the quote where jesus
addressed it on the record in front of
people
you won’t find it because he never did
argument number one
is the argument that jesus never
addressed
homosexuality this is a very popular
approach
people will look at this and they’ll say
well you’re a christian which means
you’re a follower of christ
right well yeah i’m a follower of christ
well
as a follower of christ it seems very
strange to me that you’re making a big
deal
out of something that jesus never
mentioned
one time in the gospels
not one time and for most christians
they hear that and we’re just sort of
taken aback and
you know our response is usually
something
along the lines of uh what um
so you um well was
was bad we don’t we don’t
what and we just don’t know what to say
right um well here’s what you say
number one jesus did address
homosexuality
uh he addressed it in matthew chapter
five and in matthew 19
because in matthew chapter five in
matthew chapter 19 he addressed the
issue of
marriage he rooted his understanding of
marriage in the teaching
in genesis chapter 2 the teaching in
genesis chapter 2 that gave us marriage
between a man
and a woman for the purposes of
procreation
illustration and sanctification he also
made it very clear that what man has
joined together
what god has joined together man cannot
separate in other words
god is the author of marriage not man
therefore god is the one who defines
marriage
not man therefore man does not have the
right
to introduce the concept of same-sex
marriage
number one because by definition it’s
not marriage
it’s another thing and number two
because
by definition it goes against what was
created in genesis chapter two
so jesus did address homosexuality
do you feel that homosexuality is a sin
you know i can’t honestly answer on that
i have too many people that i love that
they are homosexual
i don’t know i can’t say one way or the
other
i’m not god so when people ask
questions like that that’s what my go-to
is i just say read the bible and find
out for yourself and when you find out
let me know
because i’m learning too so if one of
your kids let’s say one of your male
sons
yeah comes to you at 20
23 years old says hey dad this is my
husband
we’re engaged we’re gonna get married
next month and i want you to be in the
wedding
yeah what would you say my thing is like
this i don’t
like my brother’s gay you know what i’m
saying and so
like i don’t i don’t condemn him i don’t
look down on him for
him being attracted to the opposite sex
you know what i’m saying that’s
that’s something sex yeah or the same
sex excuse me i don’t condemn him
you know what i’m saying like if
anything we’ll we will dialogue so that
i can have a better understanding
because i don’t profess to be like i got
this all figured out
and i know the way this should be like
i’m trying to read the bible i’m trying
to have conversations with people and
i’m trying to
understand you know the perspective you
know what i’m saying and i feel like
anybody
who wants to come at a person negatively
like if you was if you was a christian
and you came to me negatively then it’s
like you’re not giving me the grace and
the space to be a learner
you know what i mean help me you know
give me the space and the grace to learn
and and that’s how that’s how we move
forward you know what i’m saying so you
can point something out to me and say
hey this is what it says macrae you
should know better you should know this
well you know give me the grace and the
space to to take my time and
understand the perspective on it and
understand why these people think it
this way and
like that’s that’s the perspective i
have i’m more of a learner and i give
people to grace into space
as i’m processing and as i’m learning um
you know and just walk with people
through that you know what i mean just
be a lifelong learner man
[Music]so what’s wrong with homosexuality
a number of things but just a few in
this context number one
it’s a violation of the created order
it’s a violation of the created order
it’s not how we remain
secondly it denounces procreation
categorically
it denounces procreation categorically
and i say categorically because you know
the homosexual lobby they try to be
slick or
are you saying that people who are
beyond childbearing years shouldn’t get
married
no because categorically they are still
the two corresponding parts
of humanity that produce children
and produce a family that is designed to
raise
rear and protect children so
categorically they’re still in the same
ballpark even if they don’t have
children thirdly it blasphemes the
illustration
it blasphemes the illustration this is
especially true when we understand the
illustration of christ
and his bride the church and then
finally it denies the very need for
sanctification
because it takes what god calls sinful
and calls it righteous
god calls this an abomination and we
instead call it righteous
it’s the only sin by the way for which
god
destroyed cities with fire and brimstone
it’s unique it’s unique
it’s not like other sins it’s unique
not all sins are called abominations
homosexuality is unique
in that regard very few sins in that
category and not all sins whether
ended in god destroying twin cities with
fire and brimstone
it’s unique in that regard not all sins
are talked about in the bible like in
romans 1
as having a penalty in the flesh
homosexuality is it’s unique
in that regard but listen to this
to suggest in public that homosexuality
might be chosen
is to open the can of worms labeled
moral choice
and sin and give the religious
intransigence a stick to beat us with
straits must be taught
excuse me
straits must be taught that it is as
natural for some persons to be
homosexual
as it is for others to be heterosexual
wickedness
and seduction have nothing to do with it
and since no choice is involved
gayness can be no more blameworthy than
straightness
i want you to notice that this is an
argument from origins
this is an argument based upon their
understanding of the nature
of man this is why genesis
matters they’re arguing that this is the
way
we were made or this is the way that we
have
evolved and therefore there is no
morality associated with it
and this is a dangerous statement to
make
i mean suppose you know we can we can
say that i have a genetic
predisposition toward violence
does that make it okay because we can
prove
that i have a genetic predisposition if
i have a genetic predisposition toward
drunkenness
does that make it okay
officer pulls me over sir
you’ve been drinking i’ll suffer i don’t
even know
sir you want to get out of the car okay
but before i do
you should need to know i got that drunk
gene
oh well sir i’m sorry please weave on
your way
and so out of step with psychology what
psychology proves this stuff yeah
because everybody knows that that’s how
people are born right
we have the leve brain study you know
bailey bailey and pillars twin study
we have hamer’s x chromosome study um
you know we’ve got uh
savic’s pheromone study so of course i
mean all of these things by the way none
of these things
none of these things none of these
things has proven a genetic
connection to homosexuality and even if
it did it wouldn’t matter
so this is how they argue one way they
argue is this they say
homosexuality is an is as immutable as
ethnicity
you’ve heard that right it’s immutable
it’s just like
ethnicity it’s just like your race
that’s not true
by the way first corinthians 6 9-11
do you not know that the unrighteous
will not inherit the kingdom of god
do not be deceived neither they sexually
immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor
men who practice homosexuality nor
thieves
nor the greeting or drunkards nor
revilers nor swindlers will inherit the
kingdom of god
and such were some of you but you were
washed you were sanctified you were
justified
in the name of the lord jesus christ and
by the spirit of god
that’s 2 000 year old evidence that
people stop being homosexual
two thousand-year-old evidence
you say what you want about michael
jackson he did not stop being black
another thing you do as far as jamming
you want to understand what jamming is
jamming works when you take
two contradictory images and juxtapose
them
and so christian people hate the idea of
the nazis and the skinheads and the kkk
so what you do is you portray people who
are against
same-sex marriage as being akin to
nazis skinheads and the kkk
since nobody wants to be accused of
being a nazis skinhead or the kkk
eventually nobody’s going to want to be
accused of being anti-same-sex marriage
this is jamming this is why in your
average sunday sermon from a pastor that
deals with homosexuality
the first third of it will be
apologizing
imagine this on a sunday morning from a
church
now church we’re going to address the
issue of adultery but i don’t want you
to be alarmed i am not here to bash
adulterers
i love adulterers jesus loves adulterers
i have friends who are adulterers and i
believe that our church needs to be open
and accepting toward adulterers and i
want you to be
right that just feels wrong doesn’t it
but every time a pastor goes to preach
on homosexuality
we expect that to be up front why
because we’ve been
jammed that’s why
we’ve been jammed it has been successful
that’s why the most onerous sin
that you can imagine from a scriptural
perspective
has us apologizing for saying what god
says about it
so don’t let anybody tell you that it’s
not
loving if you stand flat-footed and
speak the truth
about this issue of homosexuality what’s
not
loving is to look someone in the eye
when god
says they are in jeopardy of an eternity
in hell
and merely wink and nod at their sin
because you’re afraid of being called
names